SCIENCE – “Please explain”

So I shall. I have explained that science is the knowledge that is metaphorically mentioned in the first book in the Bible, the book of Genesis, this is the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Eden. Eating of the fruit of this tree is called the FALL OF MANKIND. Adam and Eve the first humans ate of this tree of knowledge. There was another tree in the Garden of Eden called the tree of life; I liken this tree metaphorically to the Wisdom of Jesus Christ. God said eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil will cause death; I presume this death is to the human spirit and not to the physical body. I don’t think Adam or Eve were going to live for eternity in this Garden, so death to human spirit it was (I guess). God spoke about these two trees as distinct to all the other trees in this Garden. But is this Garden and these two trees an analogy to explain spiritual truths? God is Spirit. I like to think this Garden was real and Adam and Eve were real but I think the two trees in mention are metaphors for spiritual understanding.

I could really have it wrong to think the tree of knowledge of good and evil is science as we understand it today. Science, yes, is knowledge but is it the knowledge of good and evil? Science is not thought of as good or evil. Whereas conscience is about right and wrong. Con-science being the inner knowledge voice or feeling. Con, inside. This science inside guides us in our behaviour. So conscience and science are two different things, but both are knowledge. So is the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Eden the tree of conscience? We have a knowledge outside and a knowledge inside us. The outer knowledge is science and is about observing and experimenting with the outer physical realm. Conscience deals with the inner realm of thoughts, words, soul and human spirit.

We know science is knowledge. Science can be used for good or evil. But did science cause the fall of mankind or did conscience cause the fall of mankind? Do we need science and do we need conscience? Science has made a developed world. Conscience keeps people obeying the laws. Conscience makes for a law abiding society. Why should either science or conscience be wrong against God? Adam and Eve were in ignorant bliss, they both ate of knowledge and became wise; but what sort of wisdom? God did not want Adam and Eve to eat of the tree of knowledge but what is this knowledge? Has science helped mankind? Has conscience helped mankind? Adam and Eve were just simple. Adam and Eve were living in simple bliss. God provided. The Garden of Eden was full of food and water. So science and con-science maybe joining up and being the tree of knowledge. Maybe? We can not cross that out.

Where will science lead us? Cyborgs and robots. Machines ruling mankind. Cyborgs, half human and half machine robot. The Beast written about in the Bible; will this Beast be a cyborg? The number of the Beast, 666, Carbon, the name of a Man. This man being a Beast but a half man and half robot machine. Jesus Christ came in to this world as son of God and son of man. Jesus was half God and half human; not literally but it’s to explain that Jesus though all God, made himself a human creation to appear to mankind on this earth. So the Beast could appear as son of man and son of robot. So science will be used to create this Beast. Satan uses science as God also uses science. Science can be used in good hands and also in evil hands. Will science be the cause of the destruction of this world? One Big Bang, an atomic nuclear explosion killing creation. Atomic weapons could wipe out this world in a matter of hours; we have that science right now. So is science good or evil? Is this science going to cause the end of the world if so is science the tree of knowledge of good and evil? Conscience is knowing good and evil, is this the fall and not science? What’s wrong with having conscience? You would think knowing right from wrong is good to have whereas science might destroy this world. Conscience, can it destroy this world? Not that I know.

If the tree of knowledge of good and evil is not both science or conscience, what is it then? What else could it be? We know of no other knowledge and science is knowledge. Take your choice, if you could only take one, would you have conscience or science. Jesus Wisdom is about knowing right and wrong. Is Jesus wisdom another name for conscience? Is this inner voice really Jesus guiding us in spirit in our minds and hearts? Jesus never taught science to his disciples. The Bible is not about science. The Bible is about wisdom, knowing right from wrong. Science seems to be about only the physical realm whereas Jesus wisdom is for the Spiritual realm. Jesus talks about the Kingdom of God, a Spiritual kingdom. Jesus gave us the Holy Spirit to teach us. True worshippers of God worship God from human spirit to God Spirit. Why learn about our physical realm? We are spirit to God. Adam and Eve died when they ate of the tree of knowledge but how can conscience kill the human spirit? Or did their soul die? Mankind wants to learn all about the physical. But what about the spiritual? The spiritual realm is real. Jesus taught about the spiritual not the physical. The Bible is no text book. Text books teach the physical not the spiritual.

We still do not know about whether the tree of knowledge is science. We think conscience is not a bad thing. But did God want Adam and Eve to have conscience when the Garden they were in was bliss, paradise. Eating of knowledge consciously awakened Adam and Eve to their nakedness. But conscious could mean knowledge of science not conscience. Adam and Eve were awakened to their surroundings but why should they feel guilty of being naked? I mean there were no other people in the Garden so why worry. Science is it about being aware of the flesh or is that conscience?

I think science may kill off most of creation and not conscience.

I tend to think science is the knowledge of good and evil. I could be wrong. I don’t know for sure, I have no real proof. No one seems to know for sure. Please take my writings about science with a grain of salt. I could be wrong.

What I don’t like is to have science as a god to worship. If science is approved by God and is not the fall of mankind I do though think science has become a god to be worshipped by many people. Science has become a religion like sports have become a religion. We then have spiritual strongholds of science trying to mould the mind set of mankind on a massive scale. God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ are to be worshipped, no other. I do think many peoples Godly callings in many cases involves science. If science was the cause of mankind’s fall then science later became part and parcel of God’s will.

I thought about this science and conclude that the world is below my feet. The earth is my footstool. I am above the earth. The world sits on the earth. Heaven is above. I carry heaven in me. God’s kingdom of heaven is in us; not in the church of Satan, the body of Satan, but in the church of God, the body of Jesus Christ. We the saved are in the body of Christ. There are two main bodies in this world, one Satan’s and the other Gods. Then there are the lost souls; souls in the wilderness. I don’t need teaching from mankind, God’s Spirit is my teacher. I learn spiritually. My soul is above, saved. God puts all under me. King David spoke about “The Lord said to My Lord sit at my right side and I will put all your enemies at your feet”; this particular wisdom that David spoke applies to me. David was King, can I call myself a King? Certainly not in the worldly way, maybe in a spiritual way for the Kingdom of God. God is raising me up, higher and higher, up a metaphorical mountain where I will eventually hopefully understand much. I don’t understand all yet and science still puzzles me.

Monks and religious like to get away from it all, get away from the world, cut themselves off from the world and be in small communities. These religious give up the worldly things, like money and man made technology, electronics etc. These religious want quiet and peace, they pray a lot. So do these religious want “out” of science as well? No televisions at the monastery, no radios, maybe even no computers, nothing that has electrical but keep the lights and some appliances. The Amish religious community’s don’t drive cars. These religious use horse and buggy. The Amish don’t use much technology. They might use a bit. So do the Amish try to steer clear of science or conscience? Do the religious monks keep science or conscience away from them? I think science. I could be wrong.

Is science or conscience going to be the undoing of this world? Is there any other type of knowledge? Jesus wisdom is knowledge but I call it understanding. You be the judge.

Yours Sincerely; Lester John Murray.

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THE LANGUAGE OF HEAVEN

The Garden of Eden was as close as heaven could ever be on this earth. God made the earth but mankind made the world. God is Godly and mankind are worldly. So how does one communicate in heaven? How did Adam and Eve communicate in the Garden of Eden? 

In my later life I am very conscious now of my thinking. It’s like I can now just about control my thinking. My thinking is so now developed that my thinking has become much of me and who I am. It’s not feelings but thinking that now makes up much of my life. I think day and night. I love thinking. I can think deep. I can think and work out problems to questions. But I think that this can not be like what we call worldly intelligence. This thinking of mine has very little or nothing to do with thoughts about knowledge as we know it at schools and colleges and universities. I think like I am in communication with God above. 
My thinking has become so much of my life now that I am becoming to think that man in the beginning communicated by thoughts. Adam, did he and God communicate together by thoughts? We can call this thought communication – communing. Adam and Eve were given souls; these souls had no knowledge as we know worldly knowledge today. Did Adam and Eve have such clear and sinless souls that communing by thoughts was easy for them to do? The tree of knowledge was tempting to Adam and Eve; I mean know as God knows; but eating of knowledge led to sin. God said it was wrong to eat of knowledge. Knowledge may have meant the loss of communication by thought. I find speech of mankind such a vexation. Every time mankind speaks they sin. Mankind complains, mankind curses, mankind threatens, mankind lies, mankind slanders, mankind mocks. The mouth of mankind has turned in to one big cesspool. 
So was original communication done by just communing in thoughts?
Jesus Christ came in to this world to restore mankind from his fallen grace. But mankind still eats of knowledge. Jesus is the WISDOM of God. The Bible is full of wisdom. We can live by wisdom and not by knowing the knowledge of the world. Gods wisdom makes a society strong and unified. Do we need worldly knowledge for mankind to survive? Can mankind survive by Gods wisdom alone apart from worldly knowledge? Adam and Eve lived very well in the Garden of Eden apart from worldly knowledge. To live apart from worldly knowledge we have to trust and obey God explicitly. God will provide if we live just for his wisdom. Jesus Christ while living on this earth in this world never learnt worldly knowledge. Jesus knew no worldly studies. I think Jesus never even went to school. Jesus when he began his ministry chose disciples who were not schooled. Paul and Luke were probably exceptions. People did accept Jesus Christ’s teachings. But people still wanted worldly knowledge. People wanted both Gods wisdom and worldly knowledge. So mankind has not come out from the FALL. 
Mankind listens to SATAN. The beast will rule and mankind will obey the beast. The beast serves Satan. The beast encourages worldly knowledge. The beast and Satan are about replicating what God does. God uses mankind to see, hear, taste, smell, think; but Satan will try and replicate the God head that senses and thinks; Satan will make his own God head and Satan will try and rule all creation with his God head. Robots in the image of mankind will be made. Mankind will serve Satan and the beast and maybe the robots will rule mankind. The robots will serve Satan and the beast. Satan rules over mankind from the outside but God rules mankind from the inside. Satan tries to get inside mankind to rule him/her, we get the mark of the beast. We also get virtual reality. We also get half robot and half man/woman. But God is the Living Words. Living words win against Satan and the beast. God can make Satan and the beast think what God wants them to think. 
In the true Church we are all ONE body, we are all ONE body of thinkers, we think together, we commune in thought together, each part of the body communing with other parts of the body and we each also commune in thought with the head of the body JESUS CHRIST. 
The language is in thought and we call it communing but what are the components of this language? We use words. I use English words in my thoughts. I am very aware that I think in English. I hear my thoughts. So how do all the people commune together in the body of Christ if there are many different kinds of languages? That puzzles me. The Asians, they have symbols to represent meanings. How can you think in symbols? Pictures to represent meaning were used by earlier civilisations. Adam and Eve were given the words from God. God is Words. But the Asians did/do not have words. Asians got words off others. The early Egyptians used pictures to represent meaning. Symbols like what the Asians use for communication are not words. Does Satan and his children commune together? Or is Satan and his children deaf to words? Satan is described as a serpent. A serpent is a snake. Do snakes have ears? When you get an Indian snake charmer playing a flute and the snake rises up, the snake does not hear the music from the flute, the snake rises because it is watching the flute move about. So I guess Satan and his children are deaf to words. 
God gave the words. Original thought came from God. God communicates with his children by words. 
Why did we need speech from the mouth? And why is the Adam’s apple in our throat right by the larynx? Why did mankind get voice chords? Only humans have voice chords? Only humans can speak a language. Is the Adams apple anything to do with the voice chords? Did the FALL of mankind have anything to do with speaking rather than communing in thoughts? Is worldly knowledge about speech? 
I like thinking. I hate being around people who speak a lot. I sense a communion going on. You commune, you listen, and you understand. You can understand people. People might call it discernment or perception. You can read people. Talking can just be stupid most of the times. 
These are my thoughts; they do not have to be right. They could be right. But they could also be wrong. I hope that what I have written here might make you the reader and me more wiser; we can think and pray and maybe amongst what I have written the truth will come out. I make no promises that what I have written above is all truth. What I have written above is just me thinking. I hope we all learn something new. I want to learn too. If I write my thoughts then the communion will go on and the truth will come out. I hope what I have done is make you think and I hope that you can develop your communing. 
Yours Sincerely; Lester John Murray.
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THE ENDING IS BETTER THAN THE BEGINNING

Me now at my mature age its mostly all about the END not the beginning. So I eat and drink thinking more about the END result. 
I want to make good shit (excuse my crass use of this word I do not mean to offend). To make good shit I drink copious supplies of plain water while eating my food. Forget the GOOD LOOKS of food, forget the TASTE; the plainer the food the better. Plain water and plain food. Taste is important still; God gave us taste buds for a reason; and what are those reasons? To taste for our self pleasures or other reasons? Maybe to taste for good health. Taste is a sense and we sense for our protection as well as our enjoyment. But is eating and drinking meant to be about enjoyment or just for health? I think health. Forget the joy and love of eating and drinking; eat and drink to survive. Make good shit and be healthy. I eat less red meat now a days. I do eat chicken meat and fish. Red meat is just about off the menu for me now. Why? It’s my perception that red meat is not too good for our bodies. 
Adam and Eve the first humans (with souls) – did they eat red meat? To eat red meat Adam and Eve would have had to kill animals/creatures and I think in the Garden of Eden there was no killing. Maybe Adam and Eve ate fruit and herbs; maybe Adam and Eve did not even eat fish or birds. Adam and Eve killed nothing in the Garden of Eden. No creature killed other creatures in the Garden of Eden. This was a GARDEN not an abattoir. Gardens grow fruit, nuts, herbs and vegetables. 
To win a race think of the END. The ending is very important more important than the start. How you end up in life is more important than how you begin in life. If you fail many times during the race but end up winning the race; all is good. 
Jesus Christ won the race and we with our “second chance” having our new transformed minds (souls) of Christ win the race too. We win in Christ. Christ defeated Satan and the world at the cross. We who also have Christ (Minds/Souls) are winners over Satan and the world. 
The VICTORY belongs to Jesus Christ. 
“I have been crucified with Christ, it is no longer I who live but Christ who lives in me…………….(Galatians 2:20)(Bible). 

Yours Sincerely; Lester John Murray.
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DO WE NEED KNOWLEDGE TO SURVIVE?

I have been watching the television series 10,000 BC recently. I see how hard it is for a small tribe of 21st century modern day thinkers to survive just with Stone Age technology. Well we can hardly call it technology as we define it now; the seeds of technology took root in the way past and survive to this day. We can call technology the result of knowledge. Knowledge came to rest in mankind’s souls and hearts just after the beginning of human existence. People became human beings when God breathed a soul in to them. Knowledge was not a necessary thing for mankind to have in the Garden of Eden as God provided all mankind’s needs. Knowledge came soon after mankind’s soul existence and caused The Fall. The soul brought with it language. What was mankind like before they got soul? Maybe mankind was just a non thinking creature using instinct like other creatures. 

The first Man and Woman lived in a Garden of bliss. This garden had growing in it all the food that Adam and Eve needed for survival. I do not think Adam and Eve were carnivores. This Garden in the beginning was a place of Peace. No creature ate other creatures. Food was in abundance in this Garden. We do call it the Garden of Eden and a Garden as we know just grows plants. Gardens have fruit, nuts, and vegetables. Gardens are not enclosures for animals to be captured and slaughtered for food. Gardens are for growing food, non meat. God placed the first man and woman in this Garden. All the creatures in this Garden were tame (they had nothing to fear). There were no hunters in this Garden. The Garden provided all the necessary food for all the creatures in the Garden. 
But mankind got knowledge. Do we need knowledge to survive? I think mankind needs knowledge to survive in this world. Knowledge was not necessary for survival in the Garden of Eden but knowledge is necessary for survival outside the Garden of Eden. This television series I have been watching, 10,000 BC, proves mankind needs knowledge to survive. Why did mankind get knowledge in the first place when he/she did not need knowledge in Gods Garden. Mankind is greedy. Mankind wanted to be like God. Mankind wanted to know as God knows. We humans want the things that our superiors tell us not to touch or have. Humans basically are naughty children. God says “don’t touch that” and we touch it. God says “don’t eat that” and we eat it. God said to mankind “don’t eat of knowledge” and mankind ate of it. So mankind got knowledge as God has knowledge but what was the problem? God does not like disobedience. Mankind disobeyed God. But still what is the problem for mankind to know as God knows? You tell me. But remember it is said and written that God is a jealous God. Mankind disobeyed God and got knowledge like God has and God in his anger sent Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden. Now mankind had to survive but he/she with knowledge and with work was able to survive. Mankind had to learn skills to acquire food. There were the hunters and gatherers. Then also came the livestock herders and the gardeners. Knowledge took root in Adam and Eve and now in our current times knowledge is like exploding. We hope knowledge does not explode in mankind’s face and destroys us all. 
Maybe God ejected Adam and Eve from the Garden because God was providing all the needs, mankind had no need or want, all was provided. Mankind had no need of knowledge to survive in the Garden but mankind turned his/her nose up at God, thinking he/she knew better. So now you know as God knows go and do it your way. Prove you can do it without Gods help. But not in my Garden. 
Mankind can not return to the Garden of Eden times so knowledge has become a necessity. We can not survive without knowledge. The irony of knowledge was that mankind did not need knowledge because in the beginning God provided mankind with all his/her needs. But mankind disobeyed God, got ejected out of Gods Garden and so mankind had to provide his/her own needs. To provide their needs mankind has to work. In the Garden of Eden mankind did not have to work. Mankind has to live with what we call his/her fallen state. The fallen state was to eat of knowledge and get ejected from the Garden of Eden and work for a living (work to survive). The tree of knowledge took root in man and woman and it has been growing for along time. How long has mankind existed? I believe all things begin simple. They say life starts simple and then it becomes complex. Complex is many. One cell becomes many cells. Life starts as a single cell in water. Adam and Eve lived a very simple life in the Garden but in the world (outside the Garden) their lives and their descendants lives became complex. Mankind makes complex. God makes simple. Life is now getting so complicated that mankind is often stressing out. Mankind’s thoughts are getting so wound up that we need time out to unravel all his/her thinking. Balls of knotty thoughts mess up with our thinking minds. Mankind needs time out to reflect. We need a mirror to reflect off. Mirrors are clean or they should be. We need to reflect off clean spirits. Clean minds can help reflect other minds. The Holy Spirit of God can cleanse our minds and hearts. Gods Holy Scriptures can also help us to reflect. The Holy Scriptures act as a mirror and a good sounding board. 
So where does knowledge connect up with Gods vocations for us humans. I see, perceive, that we humans each have a God given vocation. The peculiar thing about our God given vocation is that each vocation has a face that goes with it. Our face on our head expresses in looks our vocation, such is like a spiritually revelation, given off by spirit to spirit. I think knowledge (caused the fall of mankind) is embedded in our God given vocation, but about this I am not sure. I do perceive vocations in people and can not but think that knowledge has to support such God given vocations, so we and God make do with what we have and get on with it. Mankind can not go back to a life of simplicity (in the Garden of Eden). Is knowledge simple? Knowledge is understood according to how much ability one has. Ability is called intelligence. But is knowledge simple? We can try and keep knowledge simple (that is the better way) but mankind often tries to make knowledge complex.
Knowledge is most likely to be with mankind until the END.
Yours Sincerely; Lester John Murray.
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THE BREATH OF LIFE – and mankind’s dumb choice

Life is in water and blood but life is also in the breath.

Spirit is like the wind. Spoken words are given off in breath. We speak we breathe. Breathing gives off spirit. Spirit is in the breath. Words are expelled as breath is expelled. We breathe in and we breathe out. Inspire and expire. Life is in spirit. Life is in water and blood and life is in spirit. Spirit comes to us like the wind; we know neither where it comes from or where it is going, only God knows this. 

Man made creations do not have breath. God put breath in to His creations. Of course not all of Gods creations have breath. Plants do not have breath. Animals, insects, birds have breath. So do the such mentioned have spirit? Looking at say a live fishes eye one sees no sign of soul, the eye is just blank, there is no thought life there. But do animals and the like have spirit? This is up to contention, but myself I see no interaction of spirit of say animals with my human spirit. I see no need for spiritual warfare with say a dog or cat or fish. I am not fighting the animal kingdom in spirit so I lean towards saying spirit and soul are just in humans. I also think soul and spirit both work together so if you have a soul you also have a spirit. So no spirit, no soul; no soul, no spirit. The human spirit has words that protect the soul and lead our soul in to wisdom. We the saved humans have the assistance of the Holy Spirit who guides us in to all truth. We are gifted through the Holy Spirit so we in the (universal) body can contribute towards helping the body mature and wizen. 

We humans have spirit and soul. I said I think we must have both soul and spirit or neither at all. Spirit in us goes like the wind, spirit travels hither and thither. Does human spirit in us have a limit on its distance to travel? I do not know. If human spirit can travel like the wind all around the world, then can human spirit travel out to outer space; can human spirit travel the universe? I think not. I think human spirit needs water. To me spirit hates dry waterless places. How can human spirit in astronauts survive in outer space? One wonders. But the astronauts human bodies hold plenty of water. But does the human spirit in these astronauts roam out up there? Good question. Maybe not. Human spirit does travel on this earth and people who have great insight like the prophets of old can see in spirit so can experience deeper understanding of life on this planet from a spiritual side. Prophets exist today. Prophets are known as seers, they see in human spirit. Prophets have deep insight. Of course sinning prophets can be blinded by their sins. 

Life is in the breath. What about people who watch and listen to television a lot. There is no breath in the television. So what is happening when one watches and listens to television? There is no soul and spiritual connection with the television so in fact the TV must dumb down the human senses because spirit keeps the human senses aware and alive. Spirit teaches soul through breath. The wind in the breath feeds the soul information. TV has no spirit therefore the TV does not inspire the human soul at all. There is no inspire or expire from the TV. Humans can teach humans because of spirit. Technology is man made and does not inspire (inhale) or expire (exhale). 

Man will make robots in mans image. Just as God made humans in Gods image. But will man be able to give breath to robots? In other words will man be able to create spirit and give spirit to robots? There are what we call holograms. Holograms could be the beginnings of the workings of man in creating spirit and spirit for robots. Man made spirit is maybe in the pipeline. The robots in the future may with the help of lasers be able to project holograms. Such man made holograms may look like the visions that some people get to see from God but of a different nature. God definitely gives off visions. If robots get breath; how they get it bamboozles me; I have no idea how mans creation is going to get breath. God created humans in his likeness and breathed in to them soul. Breath and soul are linked. You breath soul. But what about spirit? God gave man soul but when did God give spirit to man? I say soul and spirit must go together, separate but together. Human spirit for the heart and soul for the head. 
Man wants to create as God has created; hey that’s mans mission from day one he got knowledge of good and evil. Man uses knowledge for either good or evil. And man uses knowledge of good and evil to create and create as God has created. Man will create robots and other creations that do good and evil. As much as man creates good he will match the good with creating evil. Good and evil are both like light forces (good) and dark forces (evil) against each other but the good thing about light is that light overcomes the dark but dark can not overcome the light. Light forces are the good forces so the good will win. We have evil people on this earth creating with evil knowledge evil creations as we have good people on this earth creating with good knowledge good creations. With knowledge we do not have bliss. The only way to have bliss is to know nothing, what we call ignorant bliss. The more we know, the more puffed we become; we puff ourselves up with knowledge as we strut our tongues on high belting out all the words of knowledge feeding our guts with tarnished and obtuse spiritual food. The more puffed up we become, we become airy fairy and we look big in our own eyes. The puff is wind but it’s ill wind. Puff is just that puff and is of no real consequence. 

The after life is not about learning knowledge. In heaven we do not study. So when you die prepare yourselves for unadulterated bliss (heaven). Bliss is knowing nothing as this world knows but living in full splendour in the light of God and being totally aware and feeling constant love. We live in heaven in totally freedom and in the full wisdom of God. There is no work in heaven, we do not study and strive in heaven. In heaven we do not work for food and shelter. When we ascend to heaven we leave all this world behind, we leave everything behind, we don’t need anything this world offers when we go to heaven. You might say it must be boring in heaven if we do not learn up there. Learning is mans doing to appease the soul in knowing good and evil. Mans soul wants to know as God knows. God offered man ignorant bliss or toiling and working for knowledge and food. Man chose to toil and work for food and knowledge – dumb choice. In the Garden of Eden man had everything he needed. God gave man free will and man chose to want to know as God knows. Bliss was in the Garden of Eden not in this world. We do not live in bliss in this world, this world is full of weeds (spiritual and physical) and man toils day and night. Adam and Eve did not work in the Garden of Eden. 

Parents say to their young children “Don’t touch …….”; but when the parents are out the child goes and touches it. You do what you are told not to do. That is sin. Adam and Eve the first humans with soul and spirit were the first sinners. So what this world knows as the clever people are not clever they are dumb. These so called clever people do what dumb Adam and dumb Eve did, they want to know as God knows. And these dumb people are making man (and woman) made creations in the likeness of Gods creations. Dumb dumb dumb.  

Yours Sincerely; Lester John Murray.

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MANMADE = ARTIFICIAL = UNNATURAL = PERVERTED

Mankind turns away from God made to manmade.

You may say what is God made? Good question because in this life we humans are now getting confronted so much with MANMADE that we begin to forget that yes there is a God and he made his own creation. Mankind is now so immersed in his own MANMADE creations that mankind is now trying to forsake God made. 

Go out in to the country; see God made. Get away from the city of concrete and mortar, away from the plastic and brick; go out of the city, hear the bees humming, hear the birds chirping, yes birds do make a sound, see butterflies, hear a brook gushing, smell the vegetation, yes Gods creation smells, taste natural fruit off a tree. To turn away from God made to MANMADE is unnatural. God is natural. To turn away means to pervert. Every time I read the newspaper it’s about who sexually abused who. The news now a days often is about perversion, who perverted who. This generation seems to be an abused generation.  
What is the ultimate in MANMADE creation? I think it is robots that look like humans but have super abilities. Also man might create robotic life like animals and insects and birds that look like the real ones. So we have a pet robot dog or cat etc. 

There is the “Knowledge of good and evil”. God created the universe and made mankind in his likeness. Mankind got this knowledge and wants to create as God does. Man will make as God has made. Man will create replications of God made. Knowledge of good and evil is not all just about good, it is also about evil. Robots will have artificial intelligence and will be both good and evil. You will get good robots and you will get bad robots. Knowledge of good and evil certainly brought evil in to this world. Adam and Eve lived in the Garden of Utopia until they consumed knowledge. Scientists are trying now to manage knowledge of good and evil but such attempts of management are really futile as mankind craves to create. 
Mankind will go further and further virtual and try to get out of the real world and engulf him/her self in an artificial virtual world. In the mean time this natural creation will be further killed off. Kill Gods creation and live in a MANMADE artificial creation. 
God initially confronted mankind with knowledge “Don’t eat Knowledge” God said to the first humans; of course as we humans know when someone tells us not to do something and when they have gone we go and do that something, hey who do they think we are? We can do what we want, know one tells us what to do. Adam and Eve lived in the Garden in “Simple Bliss” and just like we humans are now they disobeyed God the Father. We all mess up. One big cock up from the beginning. And it’s been a series of cock ups ever since. Mankind is turning away (means perverted) from natural to unnatural. 
Knowledge will kill. 
Because knowledge is good and evil the sensible thing is to not have Knowledge at all because we may get good from knowledge but we also get evil so the bottom line is not to consume knowledge at all. There is a better way – WISDOM OF JESUS CHRIST. Wisdom is a type of knowledge but but it is not the knowledge that God told Adam and Eve not to eat of. Wisdom is a practical knowledge, it is about behaviour. Jesus taught his wisdom to his disciples and we get this wisdom written down in the gospels. Paul and other Apostles also contributed to writing down Jesus wisdom. 
So to have Utopia again, as Adam and Eve had it from the beginning, we humans need to behave properly to one another and to do that we need to eat of the tree of WISDOM. Wisdom of God gives life, spiritual life, we are preserved, we look younger, we are healthy, we are strong. 
But mankind will never have utopia again (unless it happens in the future when Jesus rules on this Earth for one thousand years). Man will kill and kill and kill. Mankind will use knowledge to kill. As well as heal. Wars will come and go. Robots will kill robots. The war of the machines. Life as we know it in God will get further snuffed out. And man will live in virtual artificial environments. Mankind is so perverted.  
Wisdom of Jesus Christ, NOT the knowledge of good and evil, makes better society/community.
The Bible is full of wisdom not Knowledge of good and evil.
Epilogue – knowledge of good and evil

I am beginning to see knowledge from an above view where knowledge is looked at as being for good or evil. In other words people learn knowledge to use for good or evil. It’s like God is a God that sees good or evil. We have two sides to knowledge – good or evil. The purpose of life is good or evil depending on what side you are on. Satan the enemy is the Evil side and God is the good side. We have two sides to this life in this universe. Life is plainly light or dark. Two opposing forces. As one gets wiser we perceive life is about two sides – God and Satan. Satan we call the Evil One so it means that God we can call the Good One. You don’t learn knowledge unless you want to use it for Good or Evil, this is the true understanding. 
By eating of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil mankind has the ability to do good or bad. 
Otherwise live in simple bliss and eat of wisdom. 

Yours Sincerely; Lester John Murray.

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THE PROJECT

It was the year 2045 Ron a bright and gifted PHD student was bringing his new project home. Ron lived with his elderly retired parents. 
Mum and Dad meet Nigel. 

Hello Nigel.

H e l l o.

Mum and Dad Nigel is going through his last paces of readaptation. 

What’s that mean son?

Readaptation just means Nigel is coming in to human thinking. 

Nigel kept looking at Ron’s parents, actually Nigel was eye balling Ron’s parents. 

Sit down Nigel while I have my dinner in the other room. 

Ron leaves the room. 

Ron’s parents Adam and Gloria find it intimidating having Nigel stare at them.

Nigel what do you like doing?

I  a m  g o i n g  t o  s n u f f  y o u  b o t h  o u t  o n e  d a y.

What!! What do you mean?

I  a m  g o I n g  t o  k i l l  y o u.

Ron!! Ron!! Come here 

What is it?

Your robot just threatened to kill us.

Come on Mum and Dad Nigel does not even know how to kill. Nigel is not programmed to kill. 

But Ron he said he would snuff us out.

Nigel did you say that?

R o n  I  d o n t  c o m p u t e. 

Nigel did you say you would kill my parents?

W h a t  d o e s  k i l l  m e a n ?

There You must have heard Nigel wrongly.

But son.

I have to go to my room. Nigel and I are working late tonight. Nigel and I are at the frontier of science. Nigel is the first of his kind. I hope to have my PHD thesis finished soon.

Son are you sure you know what you are doing?

Nigel will just be the first of his kind. Soon we will have many like Nigel. Artificial intelligence and robots will be the making of mankind. Good night. 

Adam and Gloria remain in the kitchen and discuss the ramifications of robots. 

Artificial the making of mankind I think it’s the perversion of mankind. Artificial will take over from what is natural. We don’t need artificial thinking robots. They might kill us humans.
100 years later ……….

Humanoids populate the earth and space. Humanoids are robots that look and think like humans. The human powers to be have decided that we humans must do away with all diseases and this can only be achieved by cloning humans and cloning only those who are disease free. Police humanoids are authorised to round up diseased humans and imprison them and then ship them in a space craft into outer space where they are ejected out of the space craft to die.  
Years and years in the past ……….

In the Garden of Eden.

Life was simple. There were no wants, there were just needs. Here there was no money. Food and water was abundant in this garden. Everything in this garden was natural. There was nothing unnatural in this garden. There was no fear. There was no hate. All the creatures were vegetarian. 

God said to Adam and Eve that if you eat of the tree of knowledge you will die. Man was tempted by Satan to know as God knows. 

Knowledge brings death. Maybe knowledge will bring death to mankind. With this knowledge that man has got he has been able to create like God. The snake inspired Eve and therefore Adam to eat knowledge. 

Satan is behind mans knowing. This knowing is called the FALL of mankind. Man was not meant to know as God knows. God gave man FREEWILL. Will man give humanoids FREEWILL? 
Where do I stand in all this? …………

I say let it all come on. The beast whatever. The death of mankind yes bring it all on. God knows how we think I mean God is the beginning of thought and knows thought through and through (right to the end if there is an end to thought) with all its possibilities. God knows Satan’s thoughts. God has all power over everyone’s thoughts (words). But God has given us freewill in our thoughts. So bring on Armageddon, bring on the end of the world. 

Yours Sincerely; Lester John Murray.

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PEOPLE WORSHIP THE STARS

Either it’s rock stars, pop stars, Hollywood stars; people worship stars. Then there’s the worship of the sun; the sun worshippers. The sun is a star. Then there’s those people who study the stars; there’s astrology and there’s astro physics.

People worship what’s above in physical form. A lot of scientists are declared Atheists. These atheist scientists think that worshipping the Jesus star is all poppycock a religion for the simple uneducated people. Scientists are known for their worship of the physical heavenly bodies and this includes the suns. Scientists look to their salvation from the physical heavens above. These scientists are searching for life up in the physical heavens. Such people look to knowledge that is not spiritual of God but is knowledge of just straight physical.

God is within. Gods kingdom is within. We the elect of God carry the kingdom of God within us. True knowledge is of Spirit of God and comes in to our hearts. Man in his folly looks for life outside earth in the physical. Life is in the spirit. Spirit saves the soul. Science in this world in its pure form is atheistic and Godless.

The photo shows the star above the infant Jesus Christ. The star depicts the star of Jesus Christ. We follow only one star; we worship only one star; we idolise only one star; Stars are above; Jesus is above; we worship and follow only the Star of Jesus Christ. True knowledge needs to come to our human spirit. That is why God sends His Holy Spirit in to our hearts. The human spirit learns the truth. The truth is not in worshipping the physical heavens or stars on this earth or above; the true star to worship is in Spirit. Our body carries the fullness of understanding and salvation not in worshipping all mans wisdom. TRUE WORSHIP IS IN SPIRIT not in the physical. Salvation is not out there. Salvation is not on other planets or suns. Salvation is within.

Live a very simple life and you might find salvation; a simple life in the flesh but wise in the heart. Live simple on the outside in this world but wise inside. Yes there is a life within; a living kingdom life within; a spiritual life within.

Science makes learning in the physical clever. Satan deceives. Satan led the first man and woman away from true Spiritual knowledge. The first man and woman were led away from the Tree Of Life. Scientists may say in their foolishness that the Bible is nonsense; but they themselves are deceived. Adam the first scientist (after the Fall) thought he was clever. Eve collaborated with the Devil to see Adam fall. The woman maybe jealous that Adam was first and that she was second to Adam. Ever since the fall women entice men to fall.

Yours Sincerely; Lester John Murray.

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Conscience – Ditto

On more thought on the above subject I have come up with further considerations in relation to knowledge and mankind.

The Snake (Satan) in the Garden of Eden wanted Eve and Adam to eat of knowledge.

God put the fruit of knowledge in Eden so that Adam and Eve can make a choice either eat it and die or not eat it and live on evermore. God is a compassionate God He gives freewill to humans.

Adam and Eve henceforth after eating knowledge lived a short life span. I guess if Adam and Eve had not eaten the fruit of knowledge then their life span could have gone on for along time maybe hundreds or thousands of years maybe even eternity.

Once Adam and Eve got (was it) conscience or was it knowledge of physical and social science or both the mentioned then their lives were short lived.

Knowledge killed them. Satan was an enemy of Adam and Eve. Satan had his own children – the snake children (they are much in abundance today). The children of the snake are enemies of the children of Adam and Eve. I presume the Dragon is the head of all the snake children. When we talk about snake and Dragon we talk about an inner spirit (in people’s bodies). Spirit is only spiritually discerned; there are people in the body of Christ with a gift to discern such spirits.

Jesus Christ in redeeming us from our sins did give us eternal life. Jesus in his resurrection and ascension was in the flesh. Jesus rose in the flesh. Adam and Eve may have had eternal life while they were in the Garden of Eden (God may have had many plans for them and eternity might have meant for them going to lots of places like heaven too) but they forsook eternal life to live a short life and die. But in Jesus eternal life has been restored to humans to those who believe and have faith.

Satan wants the children of Adam and Eve to eat of knowledge. It is as if there are snakes with mortarboard hats on enticing these children to eat of knowledge.

But what is this knowledge? Presumably the knowledge eaters eating in abundance are the ones who look aged in a short time. They are young but look old. People might mistake this for maturity. Knowledge of the tree does not preserve oneself whereas the knowledge (wisdom) of Jesus Christ preserves people making them look young. Jesus (while on this earth) taught knowledge to his disciples but it was and is not a knowledge known to the worldly teachers. Jesus knowledge was for good sense and sensible living.

Obviously Satan loves it when the children of Adam and Eve eat of knowledge. These children become all “puffed up”, they become proud. Their puffed up makes them think they are clever; they walk around putting on airs; they think status and importance about them. These people die and their knowledge dies with them. All their knowledge efforts are all in vain. They meet death and even before death their minds lose the knowledge they so spent many hours of learning. These people when they are very aged think of the vanity of life and the vanity of knowledge because they die and can not take the knowledge with them whereas the wisdom the knowledge of Jesus Christ is eternal.

The main staunch tree of knowledge eaters are the humanists; the atheists and the agnostics.

So there is a difference between the Wisdom (life)/ knowledge of Jesus Christ and the wisdom/ knowledge that was not to be eaten. There is a knowledge that brings death and a knowledge that brings life. True believers in God know the importance of the living wisdom/ knowledge through Jesus Christ.

Kind regards; Lester John Murray.

Conscience – Epilogue

Since writing the previous piece on conscience I have had many more thoughts on the subject. One thought that stood out to me was that Conscience was the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden that Adam and Eve ate off. I had come across this theory in my readings in the past but I can not remember where I read it. We know by good reason that the Tree of Knowledge story is an analogy. It is a story to teach our human spirit. Our spirit once taught can enlighten our soul / mind. Conscience and guilt go par in par. When we do wrong we get a guilty conscience. Adam and Eve both got a guilty conscience when they ate of the Tree of Knowledge. Adam and Eve hid from God they felt guilty. But before Adam and Eve ate of the fruit of the Knowledge Tree did they ever feel guilty? In other words did they have a conscience before eating of the fruit? Satan the snake enticed Eve to eat the fruit; this makes me think that it is only to Satan’s advantage to have humans with conscience. But do we humans really need conscience? To have no conscience means we can do as we like and never feel guilty. In the Garden of Eden there was maybe no need for conscience because all creatures lived in natural harmony with God. Up to the time of the Snake tempting Eve there was no evil done and no need to do any evil.

So is conscience like a curse on mankind? Did humans bring conscience on themselves in the beginning?

When Adam and Eve ate of the fruit of the Knowledge Tree their eyes were opened and they saw as God sees. So does this mean God has conscience? Do we humans see as God sees even up to now? If God has conscience does his Son Jesus Christ have conscience? Is conscience the ability to see a lot; is it what we call insight? But the Fall of Mankind meant death. So did conscience lead all humans on a path to death? It makes me think; before Adam and Eve ate of the Tree of Knowledge were they going to live for a very long time on this earth? Did conscience bring humans to a short life span?

Conscience is science within and science is knowledge. There is the science within and the science outside (outside the human body). There is the knowledge of the physical universe we call science and the social sciences pertaining to understanding human relationships and society and the knowledge within us we call our moral compass.

The Tree of Knowledge is called the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil. This may also be interpreted as the Tree of Knowledge both good and evil. The Tree of Knowledge can also mean all knowledge.

So what is it to be? Is the Tree of Knowledge our moral compass knowledge or is it the understanding knowledge of this physical universe and how human relationships work?

Maybe the Tree of Knowledge is just that knowledge all knowledge; knowledge within and knowledge without. The adage “Ignorance is bliss”. The Garden of Eden was bliss; heaven on this earth; well the closest you could get to heaven on this earth. Once humans got knowledge they were moved out of the garden of bliss. Humans had become like God. Maybe God is a jealous God.

Jesus Christ came to redeem us of our sins. But in redeeming us did Jesus redeem us of the Original Sin the Fall of Man? All Christians in the Church still have conscience so we in Jesus have not lost conscience so if conscience is the Original Sin Jesus has not redeemed us off it. Actually the Bible encourages conscience and does not forbid it. There are many notations of conscience in the Bible Old Testament and New Testament and all notations speak well of conscience; there is no sense here that conscience is a sin. So has Jesus redeemed us Christians from all knowledge? Jesus is certainly about knowledge but it is knowledge in a practical way. This knowledge is wisdom that humans can practice. The Book of Proverbs in the Bible (Old Testament) is about wisdom; we see the word Proverb meaning words that is action words. Verbs are action words. Wisdom is about action; action in behaving well / good (well as in also keeping healthy). So what is good? God only is good.

As mentioned Christians have not forsaken conscience even though they have had converted souls of Christ Jesus. And Christians still over many centuries pursue and learn the sciences of this world / universe.

So what is this Tree of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden? I think the answer lies with the Jews. Is pursuing worldly / scientific knowledge an anomaly? I think the Jews have the answer to this.

Kind regards; Lester John Murray.