Posts Tagged ‘Pentecostal’

I am also losing my religion

July 21, 2017

I was religious for a long time. Religion also housed me for a time. But religion for me filled a gap. Religion is good and bad. But is not everything good or bad? I worked in religion for many years and in this I think God called me. God called you in to religion? Yes I believe so. I went to Bible College got a diploma in ministry and worked as a church officer for a denominational church. I don’t know if God called me to Bible College but I think God called me to a particular church to work. 

A prophet can work in religion if God calls it. I worked in a central city church where my calling of prophet was useful. I lived in the central area of a large city and my gifts can be used in such a setting. I think my time working at this church was valuable and successful. I achieved much not just for me but for the wide community. This was a traditional church setting. 
You put a precious stone in a setting. The previous stone is the gift I have from God. Yes I have a gift. I like to think I have understanding. Not what the world calls understanding. My understanding is simple. God put me in a traditional church setting for a time. I had my bad times there but overall the time there was good. My times in religion were more happier in a traditional setting than in a fundamentalist setting. 
The Pentecostals (fundamentalists) can be so pushy even to bullying. The Pentecostals stem from the North American way; money, power and status. I like the USA, do not get me wrong, I like to even have lots of money; but to use religion to get rich does not gel with me. The Pentecostal evangelists croon the shirt off your back. It’s about giving, you give and the evangelists take. You make the evangelists rich. These evangelists use television to get to the people; they motivate the people, they sell Jesus, they promise redemption, they promise healing, give and get healed, give and get saved. I am too old now and too wise now to fall for the sales pitch of these Pentecostal (fundamentalist) evangelists. I am not one to believe every salesman (person) that gives me a sales pitch. I have little time for motivational speakers. 
Religion is dying in me but my soul is saved. Jesus Christ saved my soul. Religion did not save my soul, though religion helped me. Religion can not take away my soul salvation. Religion is just a setting for the gems. You usually have to have a setting for a precious stone. But my setting is simple. Religion can be complex and man made. A complex setting is no good. It’s the stone in the setting that is precious not the setting. 
Religion dies out but Jesus lives on. I don’t take religion with me to heaven. Gods Words live on.
Yours Sincerely; Lester John Murray.
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Maturity

January 14, 2013

Yesterday I had an awkward experience. I was in a Catholic Church and meditating. I like to call meditating ‘reflecting’. Well here I was reflecting. I was way up front of the church. The church was near empty. This church is open all day for prayer and meditation. Mass is midday but it was now afternoon. I sat in my seat, as always very quietly. I had my eyes shut but knew a person was walking near me. I inwardly shunned this person hoping they would not disturb me. But no my quietness in this case was not to be. I opened my eyes, a young man was walking towards me. He got close to me, I looked intently at him, I was not glad of his presence, he started to speak to me, I was eyeing him, he looked afraid, he was about to leave me, I noticed the young man had longish hair something I do not approve on a male. Why? The head of a male should not be covered, the head is to glorify God. As he was to leave, I said to him “Go on, say what you have to say”. I was being a bit facetious with him and I was also thinking “He might just be the real mcCoy he might have a message from God for me”.

But alas what he said has troubled me ever since this encounter. I should have read the signs more properly at the time; when he first looked me in the eyes he was going to leave me but I inadvertently thought there might be a message from the divine for me. The long hair and the afraid to speak at first were obvious signs but not enough for me to know exactly. He looked gung-ho, a young man making out that he was clever. Clever of things of God.

On reflection after this encounter I can only think of the Pentecostal Church denomination. I align him in my thoughts with the said denomination. I in my early Christian days flirted with the Pentecostal religion; it was vexing on a number of occasions but I stayed with it trying to learn but alas my learning did not seem to generate the maturity I was after. I found growing more sustainable within the conservative traditional denominations. I am presently with a traditional congregation and here I have matured. Where I worship I am in a church that is in the holy catholic communion. This makes our church Catholic but not Roman Catholic. Most of the conservative mainline traditional churches are aligned with the holy catholic communion. And of course the Roman Catholic Church belongs to the holy catholic communion. I find the Pentecostals are more heart led than led by the head; the brains come second to them where the heart comes first. They seem to be an immature minded denomination.

Lets go back to my encounter with the young man; so the man spoke, I asked him to speak, he seemed shy now and mumbled some words about let the heart lead and that in this church I will not get my spiritual needs met. He then left. I thought at first he was saying something profound and that it was a special message to help me. But alas what he said has triggered off a lot of my known thoughts from my experience in Pentecostal churches in the past. I never now go in to Pentecostal churches; I try and avoid them. I never really enjoyed all the loud music and hyped up atmosphere. It was like a concert. There at the front was the most attractive girl or girls singing at the front holding a microphone leading the congregation in to a frenzy of feelings of so called joy. To me it was all feelings and these people get addicted to the joy feelings so they look forward to coming back for more and more. The feeling highs last only a short time. The males are staring at these attractive girls who are leading the singing worship and it looks like something out of one of these big entertainment concerts where the girl at front is “dressed to kill”. Slain in the heart. I think of glamour here, a glamour church. The Pastor all kitted out in his suit and tie looks like he is a successful business executive who is trying to sell you something. The feelings in such a church go on the high; the music uses mood music to generate the high. It becomes addictive this high in feelings. But like all feelings they have to come down to base. So is this church conversant to growing in maturity. For me probably not. I over time see feelings as a danger rather than a good. I see being rational as a better rule to live by. I see that maturity means maturity in thought and living by mature thought not by feelings. I do not want my heart to rule; I want my head to rule. Jesus rules from above. Jesus is the head. The Holy Spirit helps but Jesus above rules. The head is above and should rule. Jesus sends the Holy Spirit in to our hearts to help us but it is Jesus above who rules.

So we get these people who are called “Born agains”. These people are the prodigal sons and daughters. They and maybe their ancestors (Maybe going way back) left God. They thought they were clever. They whored and warred. Now I myself was a born again. Yes the born agains come back in to the body of Christ. They think now God favours them; yes it looks that ways at times but the real truth is far from the way it looks. Yes the prodigal son / daughter does come home but we must not forget that there was already a son / daughter at home and these stay at homes did not whore and war. These stay at homes stayed with God. With the return of the prodigals there is sibling rivalry. Rivalry for the Fathers love and blessings. Sometimes the rivalry never stops and sometimes there is animosity here. The prodigals get on a high and never want their high feelings to stop. The prodigals never seem to settle down and live quiet lives; they are so happy to be home and want the Father to keep on giving them things.

The young man that came up to me in church did not bring a message of solidarity. His message was divisive. He said to me to “let my heart lead”; this to me was obviously wrong. Feelings and immaturity seem to go together. We do not let our feelings lead us. A mature person uses reason. The head rules with reason. The heart seems to be the seat of feelings (Emotions) and the head has the seat of reason. Reason is to learn and mature. Reason has ‘Who, what, where, when, why and how’. We must question and sift. Sifting is called discerning. Discerning is to be wise. Wisdom leads to maturity.

Yours Sincerely; Lester John Murray.

14th January 2013.

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